Quote from S14 DRIFT :

James May test drove the New Honda Hydrogen car and found no problems whatsoever, none. Zero. :o

Are you referring to clarkson and the tesla roadster and how it caused them problems? If you are then let's see how reliable the honda is if it was driven hard like that. The tesla stopped running because it was being driven so hard that the regenerative brakes blew the fuse, it was a safety feature of the car.

And how many hydrogen filling stations have you seen? I've seen zero over here and you can charge your car whereever there is an electric socket.

Quote from shaun463 :

Obtaining hydrogen is no harder than obtaining petrol, and we seem to be easily able of doing that .

It still takes a massive amount of energy to obtain hydrogen and you're probably burning a lot of fossil fuels too while you're at it. At least for petrol, its efficiency values are much greater than hydrogen.

Did you guys watch "Who Killed the Electric Car?" It's a pretty good documentary on how GM and oil companies practically tried to get rid of electric cars (even though it was GM's own creation). It probably didn't sell because when those EV cars were released, gas was not very expensive yet, hence no one cared for it. Those cars can go for 120+ miles per charge and were fairly quick (though ugly).

It was also explicitly stupid that the US gov't took away the zero emissions mandate and created a $100,000 tax write off for buying hummers. It didn't make any sense at all

In the UK, your electricity comes from a very an environmentally unfriendly source. But if everyone has electric cars, it could minimize our production of CO2 in the atmosphere. Sure, the coal plant emits pollution but the use of combustion vehicles just adds more pollution to the atmosphere. ~70-80 percent of our carbon emissions come from fossil fuel combustion (probably 50 or that 70 percent is transportation), which is the major source of pollution.

You can say that batteries can also be dangerous to the environment too, but we can recycle batteries as opposed to fossil fuel. If you are worried about distance, think about this: a well-built electric car can go for around 100 miles, the average person only drives about 40 miles/day. And if youre worried about vacations, how often do you go on vacations? I would rather just rent a car. Cost? the more people buy electric cars, the less expensive it will be (Tesla will be releasing a more economy friendly car around $50k). Charging? just charge it when you get home or go to sleep. Reliability? It's getting there, the more they develop the technology, the better it gets.

Hydrogen is not the answer, it is too expensive and too complicated to make and is also ineffecient.

I used to be satisfied with it, but now not so much. This is because development is still too slow for my liking (I've been very patient since 2003). Still, I want LFS to thrive and beat all the "big name" companies out there.

I don't know if this is a repost, didn't find anything in the search engine

Anyway, post videos of pure, raw LFS! No effects, or anything fancy.

Here's a quick onboard one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-MY6T81PiI&fmt=18

I'm sure you guys have some that are much better

Last edited by SR BaCkFiRe, Fri 11 Jul 2008, 15:42.

What everyone said

I also like the fact that I'm still here and keeping up with LFS on a daily basis even though i don't have much time to race anymore.

Quote from wellingtonsampaio :

Well, i tried i local race with myslef, , with:

- no wind
- only 5 laps
- no more drivers or IA

And the same happened.

In 1st lap the top speed was: 213 km/h
In 2nd lap the top speed was: 207 km/h
In 3rd lap the top speed was: 200 km/h



I have the spr ( replay ) file.
Do you guys want to take a look?

thx

engine damage perhaps?

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

:bananadea

Demo user on the FBM..Yeah..

lol fail

But yea, wind was probably on in the server you connected to or you may have accidently tweaked your aero settings

Quote from NovaK :

Uhm.. have even one of you tested my impreza sound?

Would be nice if u gave ur opinion of it..

I tried it, i think it sounds pretty good for an LFS sound . It kinda reminds me of the S1 FXO sound though

I don't think I can play properly with the new one because my fps was cut in half. But, i did try to tweak some things and nothing really seemed to change, after awhile the lighting just got all weird and kept moving all over the place. So I think I'll just stick with the old one

Quote from Electrik Kar :

I would doubt that there's a best fit setting for everything. I've found SR's setting works wonderfully at Aston in cloudy weather, the air seems thick with moisture like it's about to rain- it's quite atmospheric and moody. But the same settings looks pretty bad at Westhill in sunny conditions for me, it's too light and washed out - I'd much prefer normal/no bloom settings there. If you could mix and match to particular tracks and lighting conditions, that could be a lot of fun to tweak. It's too inflexible atm.

Yea bloom looks really stupid in sunny conditions... good thing there's shift-backspace to turn it off right away. But the bad thing is everyone online races in sunny conditions. Oh well

Quote from Electrik Kar :

Sorry, should be o.k. now. You probably won't see much difference, it's very close to yours. I put the BloomDayCurve setting a little higher to see if it would bring in some more contrast, and changed the bloom quality to 'high- 0'. Maybe a couple other things..

Yea, I don't really see a difference, but I think I'm gonna keep my old settings though

Quote from Electrik Kar :

Imo it looks better when you're driving, as it's more dynamic. I'm not going to convert anyone, what you see on your monitor may be different to what I see on mine, you may have tendencies to migraines etc.. heh, just imo I would prefer it on than off.

I think Fern Bay at sunset looks really good with the bloom, or sunsets in general. If you still feel like experimenting, try out my latest settings (tweaked slightly from SR's, but maybe not much difference), try a few laps of FB Black at sunset, and then switch it off. I much prefer it on, but that's just me...

Some people like seafood, personally- I hate the stuff

EK - I wanna try your settings but you included the wrong file in your rar

Quote from Shotglass :

so real really is brown?

As EK said, no it's not supposed to look real but LFS does look better with bloom, imo.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Yes, as i said it looks ok on the pictures, but have any off you tried to actually drive with bloom? It's pretty unrealistic and your head starts to hurt after half a lap.. I agree that LFS's perfectly crystal clear view is also wrong, but this bloom is just redicolous in motion, sorry

Yea I have, I find it actually much better. But it does depend on people's taste in graphics. The only thing I hate about it is the loss in fps

I got bored and decided to shoot some pictures of LFS with bloom. I just love how evening looks with it

Quote from Electrik Kar :

Thanks

Last night I was experimenting toggling between having bloom on or bloom off (normal) and when I did that I thought that neither option was appropriate or realistic. Enabling that bloom means that the picture contrast really washes out and it looks as Hyper described as 'worn out and dirty'. But I concluded that normal settings (with no bloom), also looks very artificial- unnaturally harsh and vivid, ugly, wrong. If you drive around with one setting for a while, you can get used to it, but over time I prefered the bloom setting, as it has a softer quality about it (SR's .ini) that does tend to look a bit more 'natural', to me anyhow.

There aren't any games around which look real, and we shouldn't expect there to be. At the end of the day you've just gotta give the technology you're using some concessions, as it's all about tricks. Bloom is a low cost special effect which doesn't look real, but it can be better than not having it.

There you go, those were the words I was looking for .

To add to that, I think the bloom also gives some objects character. Ex) Some metals actually look kinda like metal when the light reflects off of it (fernbay bridge).

Quote from mutt107 :

i used bloom on rigs of rods just fine and i didn't even turn on bloom when i tried to get into lfs it just comes up with a black screen

hmm maybe you should turn off AA and AF in LFS, see if that works?

Quote from Hyperactive :

Sorry but to me it looks more like that the lense is awfully worn and dirty. Like the effect you would get in your normal eye glasses if never cleaned them.

Looks awful to me

To each, his own I guess

I really like it because the colours in LFS are too bright, my tweaked version kinda desaturates them a bit and the light hitting the objects gives it a nice feel. Also, LFS looked a bit too clean, so it looks like it added a little bit of smog in south city

Quote from Electrik Kar :

Here's some shots with SR Backfire's settings. I think he's nailed it pretty well. The light has this really nice and natural volume to it now, it bounces around fairly realistically imo.

LFS is looking great

Thanks EK, I was too lazy to take more screenshots for the others.

Mutt go to control panel, click System, Click on the Hardware tab, Select Device Manager and tell us what it says under "Display Adapters"

Last edited by SR BaCkFiRe, Thu 17 Apr 2008, 06:14.

Quote from mutt107 :

still dont work i really want this mod

Use these files, they're probably compatible for everyone (I've already included my tweaked settings).

If it still doesn't work, your video card might not be able to support it.

Quote from Electrik Kar :

SR- just tried on another copy and yeah, I think you've done it I'm really happy with your settings, the cars don't have that spirit world glow anymore. I'll try out some different tracks, but so far so good. Thanks very much

You're welcome . This is how bloom is supposed to be used in modern games... just used slightly so it will cover the imperfections of the game. Too bad this mod takes out like 10-15 fps out of my system though but I'll still use it

Quote from Electrik Kar :

I think that most any old patch should work, later versions don't support any more lighting effects than previous versions. This is just a hack, which forces bloom lighting. If it works on LFS i reckon it should work on most games.

For some reason, I can't fire up LFS anymore either, and I've tried different .ini settings and switched off AA. Not sure what's happened.

I just installed Y18, seems to be working fine here

Quote from Electrik Kar :

I definitely like picture with bloom better- the haze effect works well, SO looks more grimy and polluted now

Would you mind posting your settings? I'll give this thing one more go.

Sure EK here ya go. I think LFS looks the most realistic with my settings but i don't know if you'll get the same result on your computer.

Couple more pics with no bloom/bloom comparison

Quote from ImportFantasy :

Nice man!

P.S. BACKFIRE!WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!

Been busy with school and work ... i haven't played LFS since the last time I saw you. how's it going?

I think I'm gonna keep my settings..i think this is the best possible outcome from this mod
pics: no bloom, with bloom